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Police respond to public’s concerns about armoured vehicle

Armoured Vehicle General Purpose

Armoured Vehicle General Purpose

Published on March 6, 2013
Published on March 6, 2013
Topics :
Department of National Defence , New Glasgow Regional Police Services , Canadian Armed Forces , NEW GLASGOW , Pictou County , Stellarton

NEW GLASGOW – The New Glasgow Regional Police Services’ acquisition of a Department of National Defence surplus Cougar has garnered province-wide attention.

It also has many locals commenting online on news stories and through social media that they think it’s unnecessary, wondering what the associated costs are and asking why police thought it would be useful in Pictou County.

Const. Ken MacDonald, community police officer with New Glasgow Regional Police Services said the police’s emergency response team (ERT), which is comprised of officers from New Glasgow, Stellarton and Westville, applied to receive the surplus cougar from DND because it would be an asset to the team if a situation occurred that required bulletproof cover for officers and civilians.

“If there is a situation that is dangerous to the officers or dangerous to citizens at large, we can use this emergency response team,” MacDonald said. “There was a program that we identified that was available to emergency response teams and this surplus equipment that the Canadian Forces would otherwise dispose of, our department applied for that and they applied for it because it’s another resource within the emergency response team that if needed, they had it. So, it was a very low-cost piece of equipment, it was free from DND, it’s in workable condition and it’s a very valuable resource, if we need it.”

Minister of National Defence Peter MacKay said no money was exchanged between DND and the ERT in the transfer of the vehicle.

“Materiel that no longer fulfils an operational role in the Canadian Armed Forces is declared surplus. This surplus materiel is then disposed of by DND.  Should a provincial/municipal police department wish to pursue a request for surplus DND equipment, an official request would be made,” MacKay said. “The RCMP received a Cougar vehicle following such a request and similar requests have been received from the Cape Breton Regional Police and the Windsor, Ontario, Police Service.”

MacDonald said the vehicle is called Armoured Vehicle General Purpose (AVGP) and referring to it as a tank or Cougar is incorrect because it has been stripped of its military electronic equipment and weapons and basically acts as an armoured vehicle to safely transport the emergency response team and civilians from dangerous situations, such as cases that involve gunfire.

“There is a slew of situations (it would be used in), but overall, it would be used to evacuate or rescue citizens, transport officers to a dangerous situation that they may need to get into, transporting them from a dangerous situation that they may be in, for example different types of gun calls, different types of situations that endanger not only the public, but the officers as well,” MacDonald said. “This is added protection for officers that happen to go into a dangerous situation or from a dangerous situation and also added cover and safety for rescuing members of the general public.”

MacDonald said it’s difficult to say how often the local ERT might use the vehicle in the span of a year because that would depend on situations.

“We live in a very safe community. Our community is safe, but the reason why we have an emergency response team, the reason we have an Armoured Vehicle General Purpose is solely due to the fact that it is resources that we have at our disposal,” he said. “We have them there in case we need them.”

MacDonald said the maintenance and operational costs of the vehicle are low, because it has been stripped of its military electronic equipment and weapons.

“It had very expensive equipment in it to use for reconnaissance. That equipment has been stripped and now basically what we have is a personnel carrier, called an Armoured Vehicle General Purpose,” he said. “The cost now is basically civilian, locally purchased tires, it has an engine that can be fixed locally, a lot of the components now can be fixed locally.”

MacDonald said the AVGP is “not a new thing. Police Forces across North America have them at their disposal. When the time comes when we require it, it is going to be a very, very valuable benefit.”

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    Russell Borden
    - May 5, 2013 at 03:13:20

    JA RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Leafs
    - March 14, 2013 at 04:15:50

    Durham Regional Police have a very high volume of calls relating to barricaded suspects and high level warrants they have to serve which requires them to need equipment such as this, not to mention they have a very high number of drug houses and labs in their region because of their proximity to Toronto. Just recently a city official was kidnapped and the suspect then barricaded himself in a area that would pose a danger for police to go into without this armored vehicle. Their equipment comes in handy for neighboring regions as well which frequently call upon them. I'm sure New Glasgow having this vehicle will come in handy in the entire northern region of the province when situations arise. If you recall, when the Mounties were shot in rural Alberta a while back, they had to wait for a vehicle similar to this to be transported from CFB Edmonton, which cost a lot of time. If that could happen there, it can happen in Pictou County as well.

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    Miss Lyons Brook
    - March 13, 2013 at 01:40:26

    its not FREE nothing in life is free. there is still training costs associated with this TOY. Give it back already. The zombies arent coming to NG anytime soon.

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    Pictou County Rebel
    - March 11, 2013 at 11:42:44

    Just read this morning that Durham Regional Police acquired (for free) a similar armoured vehicle. This is a police force of approx 1000 members. They already have a helicopter and a bomb squad. The communities of Durham are asking the same questions as us. How does it makes their communities look? What does the police force think of the people it is supposed to protect when they acquire such a thing? This is a force dealing with the crime of the Toronto area. If the communities of Durham do not think they should have one, why New Glasgow. Give it back to DND! If it has no place in Durham region, its beyond me how people think its a good idea for New Glasgow.

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    Ruth Larson
    - March 9, 2013 at 10:28:47

    This is the craziest right wing, toy story that I have read today. Sure, maybe the authorities think that this tank will help defend us if North Korea sends a nuclear warhead our way! However, I believe that this is merely a toy for the boys who like to play with weapons and tanks. Surely this must be a joke! New Glasgow - are you planning to learn how to operate your tank in case of an invasion from the enemy or maybe from terrestrial creatures who will be looking in on us from time to time. OH GOD help us - protect us from crazy people who have the nerve to even think about having a tank parked in a friendly neighborhood - of course it will teach our kids about the need to defend ourselves, just like in the USA where there is a gun in every closet.

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    Kathie
    - March 8, 2013 at 13:26:51

    First of all people, read the article. This was surplus, there was no cost involved. No one is taking food or oil from anyone. Second, the world is changing. With so many new drugs out there, no one knows what someone high on bath salts is going to do. It is better to be safe than sorry. Besides, other police departments are getting them as well. And people are stupid enough to try just about anything. Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it wont. No one ever thought there woud be murders here, but it's happened. I don't think anyone is afraid, just being prepared.

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    Debby and Bernie
    - March 8, 2013 at 12:29:11

    Just when you think you have seen everything, along comes the unbelievable. We don't have funding for most of things that NEED to be accomplished but we sure have the funding to buy an armored vehicle for PICTOU COUNTY in CASE there is a terrorist event. Never hurts to be ready I guess. Doesn't matter that seniors can't afford oil or proper food but hey, if the terrorist attack, we are certainly ready!! Way to go with that thougth process! That picture would be very suitable in the next edition of the tour guide to encourage people to come see us because if nothing else, we're prepared.

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      Kurt
      - March 8, 2013 at 13:33:18

      " but we sure have the funding to buy an armored vehicle" Did you even read the article where it says it was free? It says that it was free more than once in the article just above your ranting comment.

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    just thinking
    - March 8, 2013 at 10:38:36

    just another toy .for the tax payers.

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    NONE
    - March 7, 2013 at 18:34:56

    umm. no one in PC, is stupid enough to shoot at police. no one ever shot at police in my 14 years here. its just useless. Ken MacDonald, we dont need it. no one is going to shoot police or random ppl anywhere. no one is stupid enough to rob a bank ither.

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    The Desert Fox
    - March 7, 2013 at 18:10:20

    Sorry New Glasgow Police. A) Its a tank. B) It will cost something to store and maintain. C) it doesn't give a good impression about crime in New Glagow or the other towns. D) and if we needed to safeguard ourselves against everything we would all have bullet proof cars and houses. You should not justify something by scaring people.

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    Johnny smoke
    - March 7, 2013 at 15:35:44

    Hmm I guess the local cops tried to cover just about every circumstance when they took delivery of their new boy toy. I really wonder though if such a vehicle is really required in a situation such as we have here in Pictou county. I mean does the police force feel that threatened of the local populace, or is all of this just bravado a kin to watching too many cop shows on TV. I think it is the latter, at least I hope it is, but then I think that when you up the ante there are enough crackpots out there who will accept the challenge. It is just a matter of time.

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    support our police forces
    - March 7, 2013 at 12:44:01

    I don't see the big deal, if the police feel there maybe a use for it and its going to keep them safe. Then I think its a great idea. We should be assisting them to do their job, they put their lives on the line to keep us safe and uphold the law. We should be supporting them anyway we can to keep them safe.

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    Colin
    - March 7, 2013 at 10:50:21

    This item has no place in Pictou County, in this photo it appears that the military has invaded United Rentals. It is an embarrassment to the county and is horrible for the county's tarnished but recovering image. Get rid of this farce.

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    In The Kniow
    - March 7, 2013 at 10:23:39

    Let's be honest here. What this really is, is a toy for a bunch of grown men to play with. As my father used to say, the only difference between a man and a boy is the size of his toys. Laughable.

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    Dave Burgoyne
    - March 7, 2013 at 10:06:38

    I am 63 years of age and was brought up in Hubbards, NS. I can remember my father telling me I am glad we live in Canada because they do not kill Police Officers like they do in the states. The doors were not locked, no idea where the keys were kept; everyone was your parent and look out when you went to church on Sunday, parents got together. I joined the forces and would hithchike home, out of one car and a car would pass and back up, pick you up and drop you off, one after another. Not today. Nobody hitchhikes, nobody would pick you up. Sadly, since those days ............ many Cdn Police Officers have died and one is too many ......... anywhere in the free world. Homes are locked but does it keep criminals out! I sincerely think that the nature of this subject is nothing but positive in every sense of the word. Because we are maritimers we are there for those in need, without thinking, and I know that when the time comes and sadly it will because of the world we live in today it may save a life/lives. I am happy these vehs have become available and 100% behind Pictou County's obtaining it which will benefit beyond the county if needed, without a doubt. Sgt (Ret'd) Dave Burgoyne, MP 811, Cdn Forces.

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    codger
    - March 7, 2013 at 10:00:16

    How many times would this vehicle been used in the last three years if it had been available?

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    frog
    - March 7, 2013 at 09:54:38

    Can you imagine the look on the faces of the poor guys smoking a little weed watching the game, when the "cougar" come smashing through the door, because, all bets taken, ,that is what it will be used for. I can never remember a time when any kind of machine(we have dozens of excavators and dozers at our diposal at a fraction of the cost), was needed to be used in any situation here in good old Pictou county. This is such a ridicolous expense and i hope everyone joins in the talk of getting rid of this gas guzzling, macho-making police unit. For those of you who are for it, then how about making some donations to the many needed childrens programs that are having thier funding slashed and face closure. Remember folks, when you see the cougar , flying down the street, to apprehend another dangerous shoplifter, that there is probably a child(u may know), who is not getting his breakfast at school because of all the cut backs!

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    Ken,
    - March 7, 2013 at 09:31:31

    Give it up guys. Drive into the river so the fish can use it as a home.

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    Yeah Right
    - March 7, 2013 at 09:27:36

    That's going to look really funny parked down town in front of the Cabaret Saturday night..

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    Larrivee
    - March 7, 2013 at 09:14:08

    Sure gotta question Cst MacDonald's downplaying of the R&M for a vehicle that would sit idle most of the time other than training sessions. Further I gotta wonder how many towns in North America less than 100,000 people have something like this much less a town of New Glasgow. If something like this was required doesn't the Nova Scotia Police Force ( RCMP) provide it thru their provincial Emergency Team. What does Sydney do? Also if it is such a great vehicle you gotta wonder how much other waste is in our Canadian Military - Peter?? Seems like this highlights poor decisions at all government levels Fed - waste at DND Prov - double funding police forces like New Glasgow Mun - well that has been made obvious even by the cartoon

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    JD
    - March 7, 2013 at 09:01:43

    When it breaks down or has higher than expected maintenance costs, everyone will say "I told you so" and rightfully so. Let's cut our losses New Glasgow and sell this tank for scrap metal before it's too late.

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    Gen. George Patton
    - March 7, 2013 at 08:41:43

    Looks like a tank, drives like a tank, smells like a tank.... its a tank. And everything costs. And it sends the wrong message about our communities.

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    Shirl
    - March 7, 2013 at 08:32:13

    If it can save one life in it's time here in New Glasgow, consider it serving it's purpose and the small amount of money to buy those tires!

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    Doesn't Make ANY Sense
    - March 7, 2013 at 08:18:12

    Its still an absolutely ridiculous concept to wrap your head around. "There is a slew of situations (it would be used in" I assume this includes "super cop" hiding behind apple auto glass fining little old ladies for doing 70 on the east river road. Thank goodness we're in such great hands when it comes to law enforcement, they simply never siese to impress.

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    Bob in N,S,
    - March 7, 2013 at 08:03:36

    I,since the initial announcement,have noticed a wide variety of responses to the acquisition of the AVGP. From those against the concept no matter what, to those who view this as god given right to blast our way through any perception of danger real or not. However the true reason it is there is to aid a segment of law enforcement, who by the very nature of their duty will do whatever it takes to protect the public,nothing more,nothing less. For this reason alone I accept the AVGP.

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      L.J. on Vancouver Island
      - March 13, 2013 at 00:40:51

      Well said Bob in N.S. The usual ones moaning the blues are so far from reality I just don't know how they make their way out of bed each day. This is a different world now so they better get their head out of the sand....or is it out from under the bed covers. Wake up people. Appreciate the police and the protection when it will be needed. AND IT WILL...sooner or later.

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    David
    - March 7, 2013 at 07:49:23

    Good explanation! Hopefully this will quiet the naysayers. The Police Service and Police Commission should be congratulated for accessing this program and getting a piece of equipment that can help safeguard their ERT members and the public at no acquisition cost, and minimal operating costs. Well done!

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    MS
    - March 6, 2013 at 23:23:00

    So just in case the whole county flood at any give moment, I should walk around in a life jacket..you know..just in case..

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    novajoe
    - March 6, 2013 at 22:47:40

    So, your gonna park it, maintain it, train to operate it and if you never use it, it was a good deal???? What malarkey!! Someone pays and it's us. Get real politicos, you are killing us with your excesses!!

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